Christopher Skase interview

Interview I wrote about Christopher Skase.
Interview I wrote about Christopher Skase.

After the interview, I joined him for lunch with 60 business people. I was seated at his table, opposite Pixie – who was wearing a diamond-encrusted ring in the shape of the letter “P”. Skase was wearing a tie that featured criss-crossed tennis racquets.

I wrote the story, below, from the same event, as SEQ was a big regional topic.  I was always reluctant to show these pieces as a sub-editor had automatically added a “u” to Qintex.  Most embarrassing – the sub-editing was done in the evenings, as it as a daily newspaper, and noone checked with me. Argh!

By 1989 Skase’s TV and tourist industry companies had collapsed, $1billion in debt. He started moving money offshore in July 1989, planning his escape.

Interview I wrote for The Maryborough Chronicle
Interview I wrote for The Maryborough Chronicle
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NSW Fire Brigades Commissioner

(written for a Fairfax fire safety feature – 2009)

NSW Fire Brigades Commissioner Greg Mullins has learnt to dread winter since he began fighting fires 37 years ago. “Many more people lose their lives in house fires in winter – more than in bushfires,” Mr Mullins says.

“What we consistently find is that members of the public have no idea how quickly fires happen – if fire doesn’t overwhelm you, the smoke will.”

During the three months of winter last year, there was a total of 1542 reported house fires in NSW, 10 deaths and 217 injuries. “That’s about 15 fires a day,” Mr Mullins says. “People need to be very vigilant during winter, particularly in the kitchen when they’re cooking more – 44 per cent of fires start there.”

He said basic precautions include having enough smoke alarms, devising an evacuation plan, meeting outside and ringing 000.

Electrical appliances, open fires, lint filters in clothes driers, using more than one double adapter and knocking over or covering heaters are other dangers.

Mr Mullins says he follows the safety suggestions – as do most fireys – because of the awful fatalities he’s encountered.

“It’s so frustrating to see someone who hasn’t made it out and they’re not even burnt – they were overcome by smoke – when a $10 smoke alarm could have saved them.

“There’s a human side to all fireys. We’re all normal men and women. I can rattle off details of every fatality I’ve seen. Afterwards I go home and hug my kids.”

There are other simple mistakes that cost lives. “Nine people out of 100 remove the batteries from their smoke alarms because they’re tired of false alarms or wanted to use the batteries for another appliance and forgot to replace them.” He shakes his head.

He says anyone who sleeps with the door closed should have a smoke alarm in the bedroom, because “if smoke doesn’t reach an alarm it won’t set the alarm off”. “There have been fatalities after people kicked a blanket onto a heater during the night.”

He advises if you have a fire in a mattress or sofa, call the fire station because these items often smoulder and flare up again hours later. “It’s a free call. Fireys are waiting to help and protect people. There’s no point in thinking you’ve put out a fire and then wake up at 3am and find you’re not going to make it.”

He encourages every household to overcome complacency and follow the precautions. “It’s better to be safe than sorry. I make my family do a fire drill and I vacuum the smoke alarm vents once a month. I tell them off if someone has let lint build up in the drier. My family tease me and say: “Give it a rest!”, but they know it’s important.”

Mr Mullins even had a fire in his own home at 3am during a storm when rain got into an electrical junction box under the house and set fire to timber under the floor.

“The smoke alarms went off. The rain mostly contained the fire. I put it out,” Mr Mullins says. ““People think it won’t happen to them. Complacency is the biggest enemy. Don’t think you’re safe – it can happen to anyone.”

He says it’s best to have a carbon dioxide fire extinguisher handy which can be used on electrical fires as well and you won’t get electrocuted. “You don’t have time during a fire to select which extinguisher to use.”

He says sometimes people are reluctant to dial 000 and fireys are abused by a crowd for taking too long to get there. “I ask, ‘Who phoned?’ They all think someone else did. It’s better for us to get more calls, so ring. We can build a better picture of what’s happening while we’re on our way.”

If you’re concerned about living in a high-rise city apartment block or security building which has only one exit, Mr Mullins says well equipped modern fire trucks mean firefighters can “get in anywhere”. “We can put up a ladder or use this,” Mr Mullins says grinning, lifting his boot. “It’s called a master key.”

Fat people are treated like crap

As the war on obesity rages, fuelled by Federal and State Government-sponsored strategies, spare a thought for the thousands who are genetically destined to be overweight.

Obesity experts didn’t want to go on the record officially with statistics because specific large-scale studies haven’t been done, but they gave a range from 21,000 Australians to 200,000 who are meant to be big.

As part of natural diversity, about one to two per cent of the worldwide population have a Body Mass Index (BMI) that’s greater than 40. In addition, there are those who have develop medical conditions or are taking medications that cause weight gain.

It can be difficult living in a society where large people are generally viewed as unattractive, weak-willed, lazy, unfit, and gluttonous, and costing a fortune in health care.

Some overweight people accept their size and reject terms such as “morbid obesity” and “overweight”. They reclaim the word “fat”, but didn’t want their real names used because of the stigma.

Anne, 32, turned up to a show at the Sydney Opera House only to find that the chair was too small. “I had to sit on the steps next to my seat, as it was too narrow for my hips. The staff did not have a problem with it but I felt self-conscious and embarrassed.”

Anne describes the negativity she’s experienced as mostly “interpersonal”. “People feel entitled to shout abuse at me for being fat and strangers approach me with suggestions on diet and exercise.

“Parents use me as a cautionary tale, pointing and loudly telling their children that if they eat too many lollies they’ll end up like me.

“I try to eat a fairly balanced diet, but I’m not obsessive. I have quite an active life and no car, so I walk a lot every day out of necessity.

“I’ve spent probably the best part of 10 years learning to accept myself as I am and to see myself as beautiful. I found out about the `Health At Every Size’ concept. I recognise that my body is strong, it works, it does everything I need it to do… the rest is aesthetics and there’s no right or wrong for that.”

Laura, 42, has a hormonal medical condition, and doesn’t own a set of scales. “People make derogatory jokes and it’s not considered anything other than funny. One of the ladies I work with regularly calls overweight people ‘fat f—ers’ and everyone laughs. Who am I to say, ‘Sorry that’s offensive to me’ when there’s a room of people laughing? I learnt to just laugh along.”

Hanging out with slimmer friends is discouraging. “My friends go pubbing and clubbing and don’t invite me. I know it’s because they are all size 10 to 12s and I’m not. I look at their Facebook accounts and there are pictures of events I’ve been at but there are no photos of me. I also had my photo taken with friends only to see on Facebook that I’ve been cut out of the picture and that really hurts. It’s as if they don’t like being associated with a fat chick and it’s not easy to deal with.”

Lara says that when she goes to the gym: “Everyone steals glances and gives me that face which says: ‘Oh my God, a fat person is finally getting off their arse and doing something.’ Then the staff train me way too hard because they think that’ll encourage me, but it only reminds me of what I can’t do and how stupid I look trying.”

She says The Biggest Loser reality show, where large contestants compete to lose weight, is “terrible”. “It’s a reminder of how unacceptable it is to be overweight. It humiliates contestants. It gives friends and colleagues another opportunity to laugh at how dreadful fat people look and how funny it is to watch them try and exercise. I’ve heard those conversations in the tea room. And no one ever seems to mind that I’m standing right there next to them.”

At work, Laura was told during a casual conversation with her superior that she couldn’t advance within the corporation until she’d lost weight. “She said it was so my discipline and self control wouldn’t be questioned. I was so shocked I said nothing. All I could think of was “Oh my god is that what people think of me?” I never went for any jobs there after that.”

But her main peeve is when she loses some weight and everyone says: “Wow, you look so fabulous now.” “They mean well, but they have no idea they have just invalidated me as a person for all the time they have known me before I lost the weight.”

Jenny, in her 50s, was refused income protection insurance for illnesses because her BMI is over 40. On her behalf, an insurance broker contacted many insurance companies and all knocked her back.

“I want insurance because I have mortgages and kids,” Jenny says.

“This insurance thing has floored me because they seem to assume that fatness is a terminal illness. There has been no medical assessment and no option to have one.

“I am a happy and healthy fat person. I have a great professional job earning around $100,000 a year, three post graduate qualifications, a family and lots of friends. I eat healthily and exercise.

“Weightloss surgery is risky but I would get insurance if I took that risk.”

An Investment and Financial Services Association spokesman said there wasn’t a set industry benchmark, though some insurance companies have loadings for people with a BMI above 30. He said a financial planner could “negotiate something but  not a lot of companies offer it”.

Meanwhile, Jenny says fat people are “the new social pariahs, but we can’t hide like smokers do”. “I hate wording like the ‘war against obesity’, because it’s a war against me, and other people like me. People shout abuse and stare all the time.

“I know a young woman who was so ashamed of her size that she lost her Centrelink cheque because she would not leave the house to look for work.

“I have done a lot of work to love myself as I am, and was lucky enough to find the US email group Fatdykes which has been a lifesaver.”

She said people are often told to lose large amounts of weight before doctors will bother trying to find a cause for their health problems.

“Poor medical treatment is a very common story. Every time I change doctors they want to measure my blood pressure and blood sugar, even if I just want to get treatment for a cold.”

Jake, 42, regularly does a 25-kilometre walk around the city on the weekends, or six to eight hours of “solid dancing at a party”.

He found being a long-time member of the social club, Harbour City Bears, has been helpful. The group is for large, gay men and their admirers, and meets weekly in Sydney.

“Harbour City Bears is accepting of all body types and sizes. I found that I, and a lot of my friends, have grown happier, and healthier, in this environment.

“The greatest treasure of the human race is its diversity. We are not Barbie and Ken dolls, unfeeling plastic extracted from one mould. We are all people, and deserve to be treated with respect and acceptance.

“I won’t call you a mindless gym junkie if you don’t call me a lazy fat ass.”

OBSTACLES

Some of the activities that overweight people can’t do includes amusement park rides, bungee jumping and jet skiing. On the health front, they’re usually denied access to invitro fertilisation and the right to adopt for failing the medical test. While there is no BMI benchmark, a spokeswoman for the NSW Department of Community Services, which arranges adoptions, said applicants must have “appropriate age and fitness to have a reasonable expectation of retaining health and vigour to raise a child until adulthood”.

Obesity is blamed for causing an increased risk or contributing to asthma, arthritis, dementia, kidney disease, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, strokes, hypertension, colon and breast cancer,  gall bladder and respiratory diseases.

Insurance company studies estimate obesity can wipe up to eight years off life expectancy. Some academics want to label obesity itself as a “disease” though this is an ongoing worldwide debate.

Some hospitals won’t allow operations on obese people because it can be more expensive due to complications, and new hips and knees can wear out sooner.

Dr John Quinn, the executive director of surgical affairs for the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons, says morbid obesity “greatly increases” the risks of surgery.

He said weight-loss gastric band surgery has different risks and these are offset by the prospect of a safer outcome for other, more major, surgery.

“The need for joint replacements is often caused by obesity,” Dr Quinn says. “If there are no other changes in the person’s lifestyle, then the surgery doesn’t work.” He said it’s “more difficult and complicated” to perform surgery on obese patients by getting access to organs, there’s more chance of wound infections, delayed healing, respiratory complications and an “astronomically increased” chance of Deep Vein Thrombosis before and after surgery, cardio problems and anaesthesia problems.

Lawyer Mirko Bagaric, who writes about moral and political philosophy, said private institutions  trying to make a profit are entitled to “make different judgments” to the public sector which has to treat everyone as they are.

“Health care is about minimising pain and distress. Hospitals don’t exist to only treat healthy people,” he says.

“We could say that some people drive too much instead of taking public transport. Should we refuse to spend money on motorists who get into accidents? It’s absurd.

“Is there anything really wrong with being overweight? No one has a pristine life.”

As for surgery being more risky, Bagaric said: “It might be, but the risk and expense is worth it if there will be a better health outcome.

“So what if it’s more expensive? Fat people pay taxes too. It’s repugnant to not alleviate preventable suffering. Everyone’s entitled to health care.”

He said there was no reason to prevent fat people from adopting. “The point of adopting is to advance the needs of the child. There is no proof that fat people are less equipped to be good parents or worse than others – they should have the same rights.”

He says it’s the “height of arrogance” to judge the whole person on one criterion.

“We all want to be the ideal weight but for some people their wiring is different. They’re not moral or social retards. Being overweight can’t be comfortable. Try putting yourself in another person’s shoes. The time for judgments is over.”

Health promotion advocate Lily O’Hara, an academic on the Sunshine Coast, is a board member for the international Association for Size Diversity and Health.

“There’s no local formal group in Australia that advocates for the Health at Every Size paradigm and there’s a need for one,'” Ms O’Hara says.

“The Government’s propaganda is very negative and derogatory – people are marginalised and oppressed. Losing weight is made so important by the dieting industry, television and governments.

“You can’t use terms such as epidemic, war, battle and timebomb to frighten people to change their body shape. As the ‘war on obesity’ rhetoric increases, so does the fat-hating community and there’s an increase in the rates of fat people vomiting, starving and smoking.

“Telling people to ‘just try harder’ doesn’t work or lead to sustainable changes.”

Professor Paul Zimmet, the director of the International Diabetes Institute, and an expert in obesity and type 2 diabetes prevention, says the terms, “war on obesity” and “obesity epidemic” could make individuals feel persecuted, but this is outweighed by raising political awareness. “Because of these terms, six years ago, it became a Federal election issue for Howard and Latham. There was increased funding and lots of national action.

“Epidemic is not a loose term. National surveys in 2000 show 60 per cent of Australians are obese or overweight. This has a huge economic cost to the nation.”

Professor Ian Caterson, the director of the Institute of Obesity, Nutrition and Exercise at the University of Sydney, agreed: “Epidemic is a good term because it makes people and politicians aware of the extent of the problem. In a lot of ways, obesity is damaging to health.”

He said different terms should be used for various audiences. “For example, we don’t say to children that we’re having a war on them – we talk to the parents. For adults, yes, war is a good term.”

While some obese people can live to a ripe old age, Professor Caterson says “it’s still not as good as if they were of healthy weight”. “As well as metabolic disease they get mechanical problems – arthritis, difficulty moving, sleep apnoea. They also have a better quality of life when they lose weight – even to such a small thing as buying normal sized clothes.”

In April last year, the Department of Health and Ageing established a taskforce to develop a National Preventative Health Strategy. Its main aims, to be achieved by 2020, are to reverse obesity and reduce smoking and drinking.

Ms O’Hara says a major failing of the strategy is that “two of the focus areas are behaviours and one is a physiological characteristic”.

“The paradigm is all wrong. They’re comparing apples with oranges. Physical activity and food consumption are not the only things synonymous with body size.”

But Professor Paul Zimmet, who is also a member of the Taskforce, says obesity, alcohol and smoking could “all have behavioural and physiological elements”. He said the Preventative Health Taskforce’s report’s title is “Australia the Healthiest Nation”. “The philosophy is to look at the range of issues that lead to a healthy lifestyle.

“People are blaming diet and lack of physical activity but that can’t explain the rising level of obesity in the US,” Professor Zimmet says.

He said other causes could include a mother’s diet during pregnancy, fat-causing viruses or the effects of plastics. “Things to examine are the environment, toxins, bacteria in the gut, urban planning and even the dangers of being mugged when people want to go outside and exercise.

“We need to continue research – there is no simplistic explanation.”

He said the general scientific view is there are people who are “destined to be morbidly obese, through a genetic or hormonal cause, but it’s relatively rare”. “Most natural characteristics have a bell-shaped curve distribution. There are people at both extremes.”

In NSW, the president of the Anti-Discrimination Board, Stepan Kerkyasharian, said the board looks at whether the data being used to treat people differently is reliable. He said that the main cases of size discrimination usually involved employers “needing to buy a bigger chair” for larger staff.

“People are very welcome to ring us anonymously and inquire about their situation – we can discuss it in confidence,”‘ Mr Kerkyasharian said. Phone 9268 5544 or 1800 670 812.

If you’re denied health care, contact the Health Care Complaints Commission on 1800 043 159.

WHAT’S HAPPENING OVERSEAS

*In Canada, the Supreme Court ruled in November that Canadian airlines must provide two seats for the price of one to people who are “functionally obese”.

*In the US, Peggy Howell, public relations director of the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, which has 11,000 members, says anti-discrimination laws were changed in several US jurisdictions by individual citizens, grassroots groups and a large union.

Ms Howell cited a successful size-based discrimination case in San Francisco in 2002 where a plus-size fitness instructor, Jennifer Portnick, reached a settlement with Jazzercise Inc. Jazzercise changed its requirement that its instructors must look trim.

“Discrimination against people based on their body size is wrong,” Howell says. “We believe that one’s health cannot be determined by looking at the size of their body.  We believe that by eating healthy foods and adding enjoyable movement to our lives, we can live long, productive, healthy lives: these are principles known as Health At Every Size.”

*In Britain, Jo Morley founded Big People UK in 1997,which has more than 700 registered members.

“There are no laws that I am aware of that is against size discrimination in Britain,” Ms Morley says. “Big People UK does not say being fat is good, nor bad. We say that just because you’re fat does not mean you have to face a life of ridicule and unhappiness.”

Actor Tom Oliver interview: ABBA — The Movie

Tom Oliver – plays Lou Carpenter in Neighbours and Jack in Number 96.

Served ham, cheese and strawberry sandwiches with a delicious homemade mango jelly during this interview I did at his home in 1994.

Tom Oliver with ABBA. Screengrab from ABBAonTV.com

Has a gorgeous dog named Louie.

HOW DID YOU GET THE PART IN ABBA – THE MOVIE?

I got a phone call from my agent asking me if I knew of a pop group called ABBA and I did because my 10-year-old daughter was a great fan. She knew everything about them. When they started they won the Eurovision contest in, whenever it was [1974]. I played it by ear from there. My daughter has several albums and I gave her a copy ABBA had autographed.

The frenzied fans.

The agent told me ABBA were coming to Australia and Grundy Productions were doing a feature film of the tour. The fun thing was that there was no script. They were just going to film the tour and there was a scenario that we could ad-lib and when they’d taken all the footage back to Sweden they’d decide what to do with it.

And I said, “Well, it sounds fun, I’ll be in that.” The thing that attracted me most was that I had to play four different parts and I looked upon it rather like Peter Sellers when he had to do numerous parts. I was a great fan of Sellers.

I was originally employed to play their bodyguard and then the film had sequences when Robert Hughes kept falling asleep and would dream of ABBA. One sequence featured him as a poor man’s Clint Eastwood in the wild west and he was playing poker with Benny and Bjorn. Frida and Anna were sitting on his knee and pouring him drinks and I was playing a very drunk barman.

Tom with ABBA in Sweden.

Then there was another sequence where they dreamt he’d invited them to dinner and I played the butler. Just for a laugh I played it very gay and I had a beauty spot on my cheek, and there was some footage cut out of it which I’d love to see. One of the reasons I played this part as gay was because it was so different to the usual drunk wild west saloon barman stereotype. Lasse decided to do a close up of me when I poured five drinks and I had my fingers stuck in each glass and I was licking them – it was very gross.

He decided to do a cutaway of me watching ABBA and they had supplied me with a live chicken — there was also a donkey and goat tied up outside — and they decided to play a prank on me by doing a close-up and never saying “Cut”, just to see how far I would go. I kept going and they had to say “Cut” because Jock the cameraman fell off his crane laughing.

I had the chicken and was leaning on the bar, swigging out of a bottle of water or gravy essence, and I was force-feeding this chicken water and I had him on my shoulder, on my head, down the front of my shirt — he was like my only friend, as it were. And I kept passing out behind the bar and coming back up again — well, they couldn’t use that in the movie!

I was the golf caddy in a dream sequence to the tune of The Name of The Game and a butler in the dinner party footage. A lot of this wasn’t used, such as when I had one of those little crumb dustpan and brushes and I finished off brushing Robert Hughes down with it and then I disappeared under the table as well. We really sort of let ourselves loose.

I was also the Aussie taxi-driver during scenes shot in Stockholm. I had arrived at 3pm the previous afternoon and the next day they put me in this old New York yellow cab, left hand drive, took the back seat out, took my seat out and replaced it with an apple cart, put the Mitchell camera in the back with Jock and Lasse, and put me in the Stockholm rush hour!

I had to ad-lib everything. Lasse said to cover topics such as the fact that everyone from five-year-olds to grandmothers loved ABBA and also that Agnetha had just been voted as having the most beautiful bottom in Europe.

So there was I motoring through the streets of Stockholm during the rush hour as a taxi driver with a false moustache stuck up my nose, screaming “Get out of here you raw prawn!” at Swedish drivers who didn’t have a clue what was happening. I could see all sorts of car crashes coming up. I don’t know who was more terrified — me or Jock the cameraman in the back.

Lasse Hallström, the director, had almost given me a free rein. It was such fun to do and we all came up with crazy ideas.

ABBA didn’t know who I was when they came off the aircraft in Sydney — and I put myself in front of their real bodyguards and said “It’s part of the film” out of the corner of my mouth, and started clearing people out of the way.

Then we went to the Sebel Townhouse where they had a press conference and I was standing up behind them as bodyguards do and I knew many of the journalists and one, Matt White, who wrote for The Mirror, an old reprobate, was there and he had a quizzical look on his face. I had sunglasses on and was wearing one of those shirts they’d made for me which had very “Hamlet” sort of sleeves, it opened down to the waist and there were big gold medallions hanging around my neck — very ’70s. Very tight waist and hipsters which flared. So I could see this look on Matt’s face thinking “No, that can’t be Tom”, and then he realised it was. I saw him after the press conference and I went across to have a beer with him and he said: “Things must be real bad if you have to moonlight as a bodyguard.” I said, “No mate, that camera over on the right is a movie camera — we’re making a movie about ABBA!”

HOW DID YOU GET ON WITH THE OTHER ACTORS?

Robert Hughes and I clicked straight away; we had the same sense of humour. When I was the bodyguard I’d curl my lip up at him and he’d just crack up and then I’d crack up.

The prime minister, Malcolm Fraser, brought his kids to see ABBA in Melbourne at the Music Bowl and we were in the subterranean dressing rooms and Robert was hanging on some piping to see ABBA and I said “Why don’t you do that and thwack your head on the piping?” and he did and it worked beautifully — very Buster Keaton. Those little suggestions we could say to each other — we clicked.

DID YOU DO ANY ACTING PREPARATION?

Good heavens no! I mean, if I play a rapist I don’t go out  and practise raping anybody, do I? I say the lines and don’t bump into the furniture. That’s been my philosophy for 30 years.

For more serious roles I would. But there was no script for this. The whole movie was a big ad-lib.

That feature film with ABBA was the last I’ve ever done. Maybe I was that bad no-one’s ever offered me one since! Most of my work has been in the theatre and television.

WHERE DID YOU FIRST MEET ABBA?

At the Sebel Townhouse press conference. They were absolutely bloody marvellous. I cannot speak more highly of those four people. They were the most open, refreshing company to be with. No airs and graces. We’ve all seen pop groups and actors that get lots of publicity and it goes straight to their head and they start believing it.

ABBA weren’t like that at all. They were just the nicest bunch of down-to-earth, hard-working people I’ve ever met who were very good at what they did. I’d love to see them again, I really would.

What was refreshing was that I’ve been to hotels in Melbourne and Sydney when there’ve been other international and local pop groups who’ve wrecked their rooms and chucked TVs out the window and yet ABBA were blasted for being so nice, so clean and so friendly. Well, give me that any day, instead of hairy-arsed idiot scum.

WHAT WAS STIG LIKE?

Nice guy. You could see how well they were managed.

WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION OF LASSE HALLSTRÖM?

He was a hot shot up-and-coming director — he later won an Oscar for My Life As A Dog. He’s a funny guy too, and so’s his crazy wife, Malou — God she was funny. She discovered the word “shit” and she wouldn’t stop using it, no matter where we were.

ROBERT HUGHES MENTIONED DINING WITH ABBA IN SWEDEN. WHAT HAPPENED?

When we were flown to Sweden, Robert and I went out with Jock the cameraman and Lasse for dinner to a subterranean restaurant in Old Stockholm, across the canal, and lo and behold Frida and Benny were there with some friends. It was very crowded and this voice on the other side of the room cried out “Hello” and there was Frida and she stood up and ran through the tables and embraced Robert and I and said “You must come and sit at our table”. And we had a wonderful evening, it was great. ABBA don’t get hassled in Sweden, they never did — in fact, quite a few Swedes resent them.

WERE BJORN AND AGNETHA THERE?

No, just Frida and Benny having dinner with some friends. It was totally unplanned — it was just a coincidence they were there.

WHAT WAS ABBA-MANIA LIKE?

It was unbelievable. You’d fly interstate with them on the same plane and there were cameras waiting at the airport just to get footage of them coming off the plane. There was thousands of screaming kids and you could hardly hear yourself think. There were occasions when I did have to act as their bodyguard after we’d finished filming and we’d have to get from A to B and I’d try to get the youngsters out of the way as gently as possible.

ABBA went out quite a bit during their stay in Australia – usually by invitation.

WHAT ABOUT THE URBAN MYTH ABOUT SELLING OFF AGNETHA’S DUMP AFTER A BOAT TRIP ON THE SWAN RIVER, W.A.?

I saw them that evening because we were staying at the same hotel, the Parmelia, and asked them about their day and they made no mention of the fact that the toilet was bung on the boat or anything like that. Somebody might have pooed in a bucket and auctioned it off to raise some cash. God, you could come ashore with three tonnes of it, couldn’t you, if there was enough crew!

DID YOU SEE ALICE COOPER AT THE PARMELIA WHEN ABBA STAYED THERE?

Yes, I didn’t see him with ABBA, though.

WHAT WAS FRIDA LIKE?

I liked Frida – she was spicy. I thought she had a better bottom than Agnetha. Frida really enjoyed singing – she’d been doing it all her life. I used to catch her before a concert going through an aria to warm up.

Bob Jones was the real bodyguard and on the roof of the Sebel Townhouse every morning Bob would be up there with Agnetha and Frida working out for at least an hour and a half to keep them in top condition because they expended an awful amount of energy on stage.

WHAT ABOUT THE BOMB HOAX?

I didn’t take much notice of it because it was only a couple of years after I’d come out of Number 96 and we used to get quite a few bomb hoaxes. After the first three or four you don’t take any notice of them, you keep rehearsing while the police search.

IN THE MOVIE AGNETHA PUT HER THUMB OVER THE WORD “DULL” IN A HEADLINE SAYING “AGNETHA’S BOTTOM TOPS DULL SHOW”.

Good on her. What do you expect her to do? Point to it?

DID YOU VISIT ABBA ON THEIR ISLAND IN SWEDEN?

No, I had to leave straight after filming because my mother was very ill.

WHAT WAS FRIDA’S SON HANS LIKE?

Frida’s son was huge for a 12-year-old kid. He was like a front-row forward.

WAS AGNETHA PREGNANT DURING THE TOUR?

Agnetha said to me they conceived their son when they were touring Australia and it was planned that way.

WERE THERE ANY AMUSING INCIDENTS?

When we were in the Parmelia Hotel [Perth], Lasse had the camera near the lift and ABBA and I had to start walking up through a corridor, but we decided to have a bit of fun. When we did the rehearsal we did it correctly, but when it was a take Anna squeezed up close behind me — you could put a cigarette paper between us — Bjorn behind her, and Frida and Benny at the back. We were very close together and we all set off on the left foot and marched off. Lasse yelled “Cut”. The second time we all did a side step, waving our hands and later we did it about six different ways before we walked how Lasse wanted us to.

WHAT HAPPENED AT THE MOVIE PREMIERE?

It was a real Hollywood-style opening at the Regent, Sydney. There were searchlights, barricades and police everywhere. We had to walk on the red carpet and arrived in limos. There was lots of screaming and hysteria all through the movie as well! It was the same in England — in my home town there were two cinemas, the Embassy and Savoy — and there were queues a mile long to see the movie there.

WHAT ABOUT THE FILM REVIEWS?

It was an hour and a half of pure entertainment. The critics weren’t interested. They seemed to knock everything that came out of Australia then.

HOW WOULD YOU SUM UP YOUR EXPERIENCE OF WORKING ON THE MOVIE?

After 31 years in the business, I’d have to say it was one of the most enjoyable working experiences I’ve ever had, and I was sorry when it ended.

[Screengrab used with permission from Sara Russell, ABBAonTV.com]